NOWhereMonkey

More about Calico

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

  • Offline Bruce
  • Seahorse
  • ***
  • Posts: 158
    • View Profile
  • Location: California USA

More about Calico

« posted: 2 years ago »
Calico was my all time favorite seahorse. He was from my fifth generation erectus and was the most unique of all my horses. I only got one brood from him before he died and his passing was the final straw that made me quit raising seahorses.

1. Calico showing his normal markings (he would turn all yellow when courting).
2. Giving birth to his only brood.
3. A couple of the fry showing great promise for both color and cirri.
4. & 5. My last brood sold out very fast as they were really pretty horses.

« Last Edit: 2 years ago by Bruce »

  • None
Bruce
  • Offline vlangel
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 483
  • I love the diversity in the LORD'S creation!
    • View Profile
  • Location: Gibsonia, PA

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #1 posted: 2 years ago »
I can certainly understand why Calico's offspring sold out so fast.  They are beautiful.
  • H erectus, banded pipefish
The Lord created the ocean and said it is good!
  • Offline Laurasea
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 380
    • View Profile
  • Location: Florida

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #2 posted: 2 years ago »
How long did you have Calico? What caused his passing? :(
  • H.comes and H.erectus, H. reidi
May your joy be as deep as the ocean,
Your sorrows as light as the foam.
  • Offline Bruce
  • Seahorse
  • ***
  • Posts: 158
    • View Profile
  • Location: California USA

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #3 posted: 2 years ago »
How long did you have Calico? What caused his passing? :(

He was a little over a year old when I lost him. At that point I could no longer continue raising seahorses as I was burned out. I would say that my neglect was the cause of his death, or really lack of paying attention. My Cirri Girl was his mate and I had hopes to breed horses with Calico like colors and cirri. You can see I was getting lots of cirri horses in the last pix. Even though the cirri would eventually melt away I had so many people asking for horses with cirri that I sold all the horses in the last photo and kept none for future breeding. When Calico died so did my interest in raising seahorses.

One thing that is seldom addressed is a good percentage of my seahorses did not last in their new homes. Even though I vetted my costumers, had them send pix of their tank, made sure they where active on the seahorse boards etc., I came to the conclusion that a lot of my horses were being sent to their doom.  People that were ill prepared and wanted to put the horses with other species were always turned down as costumers.

Things are different now than a decade ago when seahorses were a craze/fad and a lot of people had no idea how to take care of them.
  • None
Bruce
  • Offline Bruce
  • Seahorse
  • ***
  • Posts: 158
    • View Profile
  • Location: California USA

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #4 posted: 2 years ago »
I think I posted this pic before of Calico and Cirri Girl. They where like the Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie of the seahorse world ":-)
  • None
Bruce
  • Offline vlangel
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 483
  • I love the diversity in the LORD'S creation!
    • View Profile
  • Location: Gibsonia, PA

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #5 posted: 2 years ago »
Ah, how cute! 

I only raised fry just once and learned from that experience, (as satisfying as it was) that if I kept it up for long I would burn out too.  It is very demanding.
  • H erectus, banded pipefish
The Lord created the ocean and said it is good!
  • Offline Laurasea
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 380
    • View Profile
  • Location: Florida

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #6 posted: 2 years ago »
Truly movie star seahorses! Bruce I know just what you mean about people killing their horses.  After posting my success on my local club board, two members got seahorses.  I explained so much about care, feeding, temperature, enrichment, tank mates, encouraged joining this site and reading the articles.  One member got dwarfs, and the first day never feed them, then told me they were having trouble hatching brine.  So I drove them a bottle of decapsulated brine eggs that hatch at a high percent.  He killed them all (the dwarfs) then ordered more and and killed them too.  :( then another member contacted me because he had gotten erectus and lost one.  He wanted to know where to get another yellow seahorse.  I was like hold on tell me about your tank let's figure out what is going on before you get more.  He had three left in a 29 tank, his temp was 82, he had been dumping food in had no idea about feeding. Had tons  of other fish in the tank too.  I tried to help him, gave him tons of information, said he could cal anytime. I offered to come look at his set up........ never heard from him then a week later he posted that he had one seahorse left and wanted to sell it, but of course it died before he did!!# uhh......  people read or hear what you need to do, but then think they can ignore the information and do it their way and the seahorses will adapt, or they were just going to die anyway. Seahorses are fish but they are very unique and not like other fish!!! Tami and everyone on this site have spelled out what you need to do to be successful!!! If you follow the recipe it works!! It really isn't that hard ( I don't think) but you have to do the work and take care of their unique requirements.  Now I just tell people it is to hard and they can't do it, that it is way to complex for them, because I don't want more people to see my horses and get them and then kill them.. it seems people understand they have to take special care of their coral, but a seahorse is just a fish and fish are no big deal, so frustrating.    Ok sorry for the rant...m
  • H.comes and H.erectus, H. reidi
May your joy be as deep as the ocean,
Your sorrows as light as the foam.
  • Offline Bruce
  • Seahorse
  • ***
  • Posts: 158
    • View Profile
  • Location: California USA

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #7 posted: 2 years ago »
Yes one of the oddest things was having to tell people I would not sell them seahorses because they were going to put them in a reef tank or with other fish. Sometimes they would argue with me about it but I would just tell them that they need a tank dedicated to the horses or I will not sell to them.

My friend Liisa had the same problems and that was one of the reasons she stopped selling as well.

I commented on a post on Reef Central where someone wanted to put dwarves into a 10 gallon plumbed into a fuge. The tank was square and short and I told him that he would never see the tiny seahorses in there unless it was a big herd. He said he planned on putting 25 or more in his tank. When I pointed out the other problems with his set up he reply "I want to push the envelope and see what I can accomplish". I would have said something back but in his next post he said he wasn't going to do the tank anymore, even though there were photos of the tank being set up and drilled etc. His reason was because his wife wouldn't feed them when he was away on business.

When people , "want to push the envelope" with the life of the animal at stake I believe they are not really thinking correctly. The seahorses needs are number one in the equation.

  • None
Bruce
  • Offline Laurasea
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 380
    • View Profile
  • Location: Florida

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #8 posted: 2 years ago »
It seems the information about feeding mysis has finally gotten out there.  But now the information that you need to do frequent big water changes needs to get out there too. I don't care that if you have had fish and coral before and haven't done big water changes! People who are successful with seahorses do water changes 😃. And if they would keep their tanks under 75, and no fish or only a couple of the approved tank mates.  With those three considerations people would be a lot more successful!! So maybe if we keep putting that out there people will get the message😉. Plus most seahorses keepers don't need to be breeding them and keep single sex tanks.  Bruce you and other breeders on this sight are amazing!! You are the pinnacle!!! The rest if us poor slobs, myself first most, just can't handle the work and difficulty of raising fry.  Your fry were so beautiful, and you did a wonderful job, so impressive!!! But a new keeper you need to concentrate on keeping your seahorses healthy first, and gain knowledge before dipping into breeding.  Be happy that you have seahorses!!
  • H.comes and H.erectus, H. reidi
May your joy be as deep as the ocean,
Your sorrows as light as the foam.
  • Offline Bruce
  • Seahorse
  • ***
  • Posts: 158
    • View Profile
  • Location: California USA

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #9 posted: 2 years ago »
Right now I wish I had seahorses but I must wait until spring when I can afford them. Oh well I had 5 tanks cycled and waiting when I got my first seahorse. I think I waited for 9 months as I refused to buy from Ocean Rider and DanU wasn't selling horses back then.
  • None
Bruce
  • Offline TamiW
  • Seahorse Wrangler
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 1148
    • View Profile
  • Location: Milwaukee, Wi, USA

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #10 posted: 2 years ago »
Bruce! Calico is beautiful! It looked like he was pied/piebald/pinto. Did his siblings or offspring ever show this coloration? He is the biggest seahorse I've seen with the pied coloration, most seem to loose it as juveniles.

I have a hypothesis about that color- specifically that it may be a sign of domestication. It is in other animals, but seahorses are so unusual with their coloration that it is hard to say if it could be. But it seems to occur in seahorses that have been bred for a long time, and the color change in other animals is because the gene that controls adrenalin is the same one that controls how dark color is expressed. You can read about it here it's just an idea, but it would be so interesting if that is it.

Ugh, I hear you guys about selling to people who didn't care. It's hard. It's one of the reasons I'm not breeding right now. One of them, I have a few other unrelated reasons. But I hated hearing how people would kill their fish.

One could drive from a few hours away. I talked to them for 4 hours. They told me they had a cycled tank ready to go. When the seahorses died a week later, they told me the tank wasn't cycled. Uh, you were hear for hours, why did you lie about it?! Then there was the person that wanted to buy more because they didn't "get the puffer out in time." Why did you have a puffer in there in the first place, after telling you they were not compatible? These are fragile animals, of course people are going to have mishaps but it's the easily avoidable ones that kill me.

Eventually I stopped selling direct and sold through fish stores just so I wouldn't have to hear about it. But then I'd go to those stores and sea the seahorses getting skinner and skinner and skinner. >:( so that wasn't even a great solution.

I get why people want to try different things too. They don't have the experience to know it won't work. And so many experiences in life do require trying and failing. But with fish, these are living beings. You can't be cavlier about there lives.  :(

I want to breed again once I get my fish room changes finished. I love the breeding part of the hobby. But I'm not sure what I'm going to do when it comes to selling again.


  • H. erectus, H. comes, H. kuda, H. zosterae, Doryrhamphus excisus, Bryx dunckeri, Corythoichthys flavofasciatus
It's all about the snick!
  • Offline Bruce
  • Seahorse
  • ***
  • Posts: 158
    • View Profile
  • Location: California USA

Re: More about Calico

« Reply #11 posted: 2 years ago »
Calico was one of a kind. No other seahorse I raised had the dark spots or the "glowing" erectus lines. He reminded me of lemon drop candy.

That puffer thing would of been hilarious if it hadn't caused the death of seahorses.

There is a new thread on RC where someone posted a pic of his male erectus seahorse who had most of the skin on his back eaten off by a "safe" blenny. I would say 2-5 days till the horse dies. To be honest I would euthanize the poor boy.
  • None
Bruce