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Hello..again and again and again ;)

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My name is Angie and I am not new to seahorses.  I have bread both northern H. Erectus and Southern.  My northern H. Erectus (6 - 3 m/f pairs) originally came from Draco Marine...that was awhile ago lol. (loved the little buggers..smaller then my southerns, but great personalities)  My southern stock was as follows, 3 pairs (different times each pair) came from Dan and Abby at SeahorseSource.   I got a few from Tammi  here, and I also got a 2 pair from Sachs.   I do believe at one point I got a pair from Seahorse Corral, but I did not breed those.  At one time I had 18 saltwater tanks..only 1 was 125g in wall reef tank. The rest were seahorses.  A few things happened...I found out I had uterine cancer and had to part with all of my seahorses.  Started again a year later after recovery.  Had a heart attack...got out of them again.   Started again about a year later.  Fast forward a few years and I got married and Divorced, sale of house and relocation was out of SW for awhile while adjusting to the single life and working a lot.  Been about 2 years now without seahorses.  My 65g reef is running strong and I swore I would not start seahorses again until I found a stable job and life got, well boring ha ha ha.   In August I was blessed with a great opportunity to work from home full time.  I am loving it btw!   I have a 2 bedroom with a den Townhouse and I live alone (ok I do have a ragdoll cat, a Pomeranian, and an African Grey Parrot so not totally alone)  I use the den as my office for work. I have my 37g future seahorse tank set up next to my desk.  That leaves my spare bedroom 100% free for raising fry.  (and I can close the door so I do not have to listen to multiple bubbling BS hatchers, fry tanks, and so on)
I have only had h. Erectus in the past and I really want H. Reidi.  However, they are much harder to raise then erectus fry and I'm not sure if I am up for culturing pods for H.Reidi fry.  BBS are so much easier,,those I can do with one eye open. Pretty sure I've done it asleep at times.  Thank goodness I worked at a pet store at the time and I could sell my seahorses there)
I was looking at possibly trying H.Reidi x H. Erectus hybrids, but I would still need to culture for awhile.  There is no question of not breeding since I can't have all males or all females.  To me it is not natural.  I have it stuck in my head that if I am going to choose to take these beautiful animals and stick them in a tank, I should at least allowed them a mate as nature intended for all things.  Only my opinion and I totally understand the reasons for same sex tanks...some just do not want to or can not deal with fry. Until they invent seahorse birth control it is a valid choice for many. I am totally comfortable with pouch evacuations, and tube feeding if needed.  Learned all of that when I was given a pair of WC Erectus when I was new to seahorses.  I learned fast!  NO more WC for me...ever! Not even as a rescue.  That was over a $1000 lesson learned.

It will be a little while before I actually order the seahorses. They will come from Seahorse Source, Tammi, or Sachs. Tammi is local, only a few hours away. I will see where she is at with available seahorses at a later time...  Not in a huge hurry. The tank is almost ready, but I am not. Still need to add the BH-90 skimmer and sump. I've been procrastinating on hooking up the sump because I have to drill thru the wall of my den into the bathroom closet on the other side of the wall that will hold the sump. (I currently rent..so I will have to repair the wall if I ever move lol)  The tank has to be SILENT since it sits 6 inches away from my desk and I am on the phone 8+ hours a day with customers. My headset mic picks up every sound.  Using a whisper 60 HOB now that I had laying around.  Waiting for some different macros to be in stock, working on fry tubs, building tables for tubs and a setting up the sumps for them.  Building up supplies,  buckets of salt, tons of DI resin and spare RO filters. Stocking SH meds, catheters, dusting off microscopes, piecing together BS hatchers, and the list goes on.   I just got 2 - 42g Brute cans and one 24g Brute can, waiting for 2 of the dollys to show up. 
Thank goodness water is included in my rent for the townhouse lol.  There are no restrictions on tanks as long as I have renters insurance. They do ask that we do not exceed a certain weight per tank, and my largest tank is 65g and is far from the max.  Mt fry tanks will be 18g tubs, and the sumps will consist of 30g each max.


Right now the only things in my 37g seahorse tank are a billion pods, feather caulerpa, 3 mollies that I converted to full saltwater, live rock, and a bunch of zoanthids, green star polyps, clove polyps, mushrooms, ricordia, and soft leather corals, and a few snails. 

Well that's my intro...I promise not to be so long winded in the future. I just tried to cover it all at once.
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Once I order the seahorses, the mollies will be moved to the sump of my 65g reef tank.   They are great algae eaters, but tend to get over eager when trying to clean the seahorses....but the seahorses think their babies are yummy ;)
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« Reply #2 posted: 1 month ago »
Hi angieg1123!  Its nice to hear that you are returning to the hobby.  Seahorses can certainly be demanding and with all you had going on in the past I can certainly understand why you took a hiatus.

Like you I also have only kept H erectus but a reidi erectus mix has intrigued me but I have not made the leap.  Also I only raised fry once and it was so rigorous that I give my fry away now.  However I will enjoy hearing about your progress and experiences.  Please keep us posted.

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« Reply #3 posted: 1 month ago »
Thank you Dawn, it will be some time yet before I get the pair.  As we all know, nothing good ever happens fast with seahorses.  I have patience and plenty of time.
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Thank you Dawn, it will be some time yet before I get the pair.  As we all know, nothing good ever happens fast with seahorses.  I have patience and plenty of time.
Quite some time as in a few months or quite some time as in over 6 months for seahorses? Ha ha, maybe I am more impatient than you!   Its very good to be patient and do it right.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure when it comes to seahorses.
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I'm thinking 4-6 weeks before I order.  Hopefully everything else will be set up and running by then.  I just know if I do not have the fry tanks ready....the male will most likely arrive pregnant! I do hate to rush thru things. Now....if I do have everything set up and ready to go, the little boogers will probably take a year to figure out a proper egg transfer.

I once got a pair from Dan and Abby at seahorse source that managed an egg transfer in the shipping bag!  They were little, and when I sent them a pic of the male's pouch upon arrival, Abby said he certainly did not look like that the day before!!  lol.   Lost that batch of fry because I was not prepared...I ordered a young pair. I did not think they were old enough for that...wrong ;) 

I can't wait to get them, but after 20+ years in saltwater and 10+ with seahorses, Patience is key.  Even when I want to hurry and get them.   :P  Must resist ordering..must resist ordering..must resist ordering  ha ha ha
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Wow Angie, you have a lot of experience with seahorses!  Were you networked online 10 years ago when you started seahorses?  I can imagine that learning about seahorses without an online community would be hard.
I also have been doing saltwater for about 20 years but I am kind of a newbie to seahorses with only over 2 years experience.

Your tank sounds similiar to mine with the macro algae and soft coral.  I am running just the seahorse tank now.  The coral and macros are basically just a natural backdrop to accommadate the ponies.  This tank is bare bottom with a sump and fuge. I painted the bottom to help it look more like sand but it does look a bit sterile. I have to admit that I love the ease of maintaining it however.
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I was online, thank goodness. Reef Central, seahorse.org, sygnathid,org, captive reefing, and a few others.  Jorge from Draco Marine was a great source of information as well. I was sad when they stopped raising seahorses.  Dan and Abby were wonderful as well.  Peka, Ducky, and many others on seahorse.org were quick to answer questions and help when you needed it.  Of course labdoc was awesome too, he did a complete pathology report when I was dealing with a WC pair that ended up costing me over $1000 trying to save them.  Baytril was not easy to get for a seahorse with Myco...very expensive to have live shrimp shipped every week. And I still can't seem to stay away from seahorses for long.   
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I was online, thank goodness. Reef Central, seahorse.org, sygnathid,org, captive reefing, and a few others.  Jorge from Draco Marine was a great source of information as well. I was sad when they stopped raising seahorses.  Dan and Abby were wonderful as well.  Peka, Ducky, and many others on seahorse.org were quick to answer questions and help when you needed it.  Of course labdoc was awesome too, he did a complete pathology report when I was dealing with a WC pair that ended up costing me over $1000 trying to save them.  Baytril was not easy to get for a seahorse with Myco...very expensive to have live shrimp shipped every week. And I still can't seem to stay away from seahorses for long.
O my, I am not even familiar with any of those names except Dan and Abbie from Seahorse Source.  I go to Reef Central, seahorse.org and here (of course)and read posts to learn.

What is Myco?  I have not heard of that.  And I presume Baytril is a medication to treat it?

I order live shrimp periodically to feed my ponies as a treat or when I go away as a 2nd meal of the day that they need to hunt themselves.  I can not imagine the expense if that is all they ate.

You are very dedicated to spend $1000 on a pair of WC ponies.

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Myco is mycobacteria....nasty little bugger.  I had to get rid of everything..tanks, all equipment, anything that may have come in contact with the infected seahorse and the tank.  It is so nasty I could not risk just trying to bleach everything. I could not take the chance of any future breeding stock or fry carrying mycobacteria. 
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Myco is mycobacteria....nasty little bugger.  I had to get rid of everything..tanks, all equipment, anything that may have come in contact with the infected seahorse and the tank.  It is so nasty I could not risk just trying to bleach everything. I could not take the chance of any future breeding stock or fry carrying mycobacteria.
Wow that is terrible! I have heard of vibrio and have heard how devastating it can be.  Myco sounds worse.

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