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sudden death

« posted: 4 years ago »
Hi all

I recently took the plunge and brought my first pair of kudas from my LFS.  I had already pumped them about where they got their stock from..if they were tank bred..even then which place from  as in oz...tazzie S/H farm is only licenced supplier...and yes they said tasmania. .which was a positive.

All readings on my 4ft..320litre tank were good.. for first day..my female remained very subdued..lerthargic  just hitching quietly down near sand substrate... was also snicking frozen mysis eagerly at feed times.   The next morning..I sadly found her dead  on the sand :(   My larger male...is still going strong though....from first he went into tank. .he was and still is...very active..always swimming around...eats easy...loves coasting round top part of tank in the filter jets too....  was there somewhere I was researching that healthy ponies tend to be more active.  So now im very anxious keeping eye on him... 

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« Reply #1 posted: 4 years ago »
I'm really sorry to hear that.  It sounds like it wasn't anything you did wrong.  Even though seahorses ship really well,  sometimes freak accidents happen.  Do you know how long they were in the store?  It's also possible they were either mishandled there or placed with syngnathid that carry disease,  like wild pipefish.

An you tell me the exact readings of the water parameters?  Sometimes good isn't, or a single value is good on its own,  but when taken as a whole,  are a sign something isn't right.  It helps to know temperature,  salinity,  ammonia,  nitrite,  nitrate,  pH,  kh, calcium and phosphate.

Keep an eye on him for sure,  in case bits something contagious. 

Also,  how long did you have her?

Finally,  if possible once enough time has passed that you're no longer worried he's at risk,  I'd consider getting from the breeder direct.  They probably came from Seahorse World and you can order direct from their Aussie facility.  http://www.seahorse-australia.com.au

You may also want to seek your money back if you haven't had her long.  You've done due diligence and gone above and beyond with your research.
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« Reply #2 posted: 4 years ago »
I saw your picture on  Facebook.  He's looking skinnier than I'd like to name with a big head,  suggesting a prolonged period of sparce feedings.  Also,  a clear picture of the tail? It could be blur or it could be the early signs of tail rot.  Not to worry you.

I'm worried you may have been mislead by the LFS and they're actually Asian tank raised seahorses,  and all the trouble that goes with them.
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« Reply #3 posted: 4 years ago »
thanks Tami

Was it the photo of the pony in front of the rock? that you were refering to,,,,  yes that was the female,,,,,, my boy , i just posted some new pictures at his feeding station this morning,(which he learned to use within one day).   So what are the differences between the kudas from Tassie and these Asian ones your commenting about?

Also,,,,,,, if my male keeps going strong, like he seems to be,,,,,,,,,,, will i have any problems adding another couple later,, sent from Tassie Seahorse farm....... if they arent exactly the same breed?  Oh,,,,,, I only got them 3 days ago too. And apparently was told they had been in the aquarium tank for a good 6 weeks before i brought them. There was only snails kept in their tiny tank,,,,,, well, there were only snails the day that i actually brought them.

They had at the time,,,,,,,,, 4 ponies in there,,, 2 female, 2 male.   I got the largest male, and the two females were quite tiny.
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« Reply #4 posted: 4 years ago »
Hi Shaz,

Best that you contact the breeder directly and ask them if they sent the LFS any seahorses recently?

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« Reply #5 posted: 4 years ago »

Hi,

Sorry you lost your female sh,it sounds like the one i got from my lfs awhile ago,unknown to my lfsit got some kudas in,which i got two females and two males,which i lost all of them over time.It tuned out that they were asian sh,in all i lost about six or so before i was put in touch with a sh breeder.

If you can i would buy from a breeder who knows what they are selling you.Best of luck with your male.

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« Reply #6 posted: 4 years ago »
The pony in front of the rock was a male. I can clearly see his pouch.

The problems with the asian seahorses isn't where their from, per say, but how they're raised. They're generally raised in natural sea water and are exposed to all the same pathogens wild seahorses are exposed to. They are also often sold far to young/small. Its confusing because for many fish species it doesn't matter if they are tank raised, captive bred, maricultured, etc. . ., but because of the seahorses primitive immune system, it makes a big difference.


These three articles cover the issue in depth:
http://www.fusedjaw.com/aquariumcare/a-modern-guide-to-buying-seahorses/
http://www.fusedjaw.com/aquariumcare/net-pen-raised-seahorses/
http://www.fusedjaw.com/aquariumcare/net-pen-raised-seahorses-part-ii/

From what I've seen watching forum postings, it's PARTICULARLY a problem in Australia of fish stores not knowing or outright lying where their seahorses came from. I do not know if it's intentional, but it seems to happen to a lot of seahorse keepers there. I think it might be because there used to be an awesome business called Seahorse Sanctuary that bred seahorses and pipefish, and sold them to fish stores. But when they went out of business, stores were scrambling for other sources of seahorses. Why the incorrect information though, that I don't know.

Mixing different species is a tricky thing. I think you're going to quarantine and deworm your seahorses before doing that; and even so, it's still not really certain it will be okay. This thread has a lot of pros and cons with mixing.

I don't like the sounds of the tank they were in. I bet they were underfed, and the precipitating factor was being moved.

Can you put a picture of your remaining seahorse?
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« Reply #7 posted: 4 years ago »
Thanks for all your info tami..... here are some shots of my very active playful male.....im dearly hoping he remains healthy
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« Reply #8 posted: 4 years ago »
My friend tim...yes I intend to give tazzie SH farm call tmoro and see what they say about where they distribute to here in melbourne...
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« Reply #9 posted: 4 years ago »
Any word? Did you get a chance to contact the seahorse farm?
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« Reply #10 posted: 4 years ago »
Am waiting on reply to an email i sent them Tami,,,,,,,,,,, I tried calling, but very hard to get thru. So will wait on this.

How do you think my male is looking? by the pictures i put up. I am just noticing of late that his white stripe markings are starting to become more bold,,, he is still very active, and always hungry.
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