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New Seahorses with Issues

« posted: 3 years ago »
I received three reidi's that came in looking a bit rough. One looks fine, just young. Another looks like it may have a bit of tail rot and is skinny. The third is skinny, has tail rot in 3 spots, and has an infection on the side of its head. I've attached some pictures. I just put them in a QT with Furan 2. Is this the correct way to treat this or do I need another medication? I'm also planning on gut loading brine shrimp with Furan 2. Are there any instructions on how to do that? Like do I gut load them in fresh or saltwater? How much Furan 2 to water should I use when gut loading? I did read that they need to be gut loaded for 1 to 2 hours before feeding to the seahorses. If I have extra, can I simply keep them in the same container I gut loaded them in and put it in the fridge?

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« Reply #1 posted: 3 years ago »
So Sorry! Wish you healing. Were did you get your seahorses from? I don't know how to treat but I am sure the great people here will help
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« Reply #2 posted: 3 years ago »
Have you got any bio-bandage if so you can put .some on the tails of the seahorses that has tail rot

Have you got the seahorses in a ht,thats were you will put the furan2 in.What you will need to do is mix the furan2 in some water (ro water) and ad it to the ht tank,you will need to change the water every day and make up new furan2 each day.

 The sh still need to be fed,but after about10-15 min take the uneaten food out of the tank.This is all I can help you with until Ray or Tami can give you further help.

Best of look with them,they look very small to me so I don't think they are very old.
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« Reply #3 posted: 3 years ago »
Those guys are looking pretty rough. Sorry to hear that you got some in looking so bad from the start. I would complain to where you got them from, those are some pretty obviously sick seahorses. Sue's advice is dead on, treat the tank and do 50% water changes daily, replacing half the water with new water and furan II. Furan II is inactivated by light, so kept the lights dim at feeding time.

I like hitting bacteria with synergistic combinations. Adding triple sulfa with the furan II is stronger than what either could do alone. Also treat for 10 days.

One word of warning is that seahorses really don't do well with bacterial infections. I wish there was better news than that, but they have a primitive immune system and are harder to treat than most fish.

Biobandage is helpful too, if you have that. I prefer the powder, it seems to stick better. But it's usually harder to find. You might want to try treating the wounds with betadine, (in a seperate container.) first dab the infected area with a dry paper towel; you don't want to dry it but keep it from being dripping wet. Then dab with betadine on a paper towel or q tip. Try and keep away from mouth, gills and eyes. It can help slow the progression.

Crossing my fingers for you! Hopefully you've caught it in time.
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« Reply #4 posted: 3 years ago »
Thank you for the advice! I am keeping them in a 5 gallon bucket with some hitching posts, an air stone, and an ammonia alert. I did a little bit more than a 50% WC and replaced the lost furan 2. I also gut loaded brine with furan and fed that twice today. They are eating and will eat thawed mysis, but two are still looking a bit skinny. Should I treat for any internal parasites and if so what do I use?

I was pretty upset when they arrived and complained, but I'm not sure if they will do anything about it. I should have known better to order more from that source when I found out they were originally bred in Shri Lanka. But the first ones I got came in healthy and I thought these would have been from the same batch, but judging from their size, they were not. I was looking to get more males since I ended up with a lone male and five females the first time when I wanted three pairs. The rep said it would be no problem and only send males this time, but as you can see they are too young to sex! So frustrating and it will be the last time I get seahorses from them.

I will try and get those other meds ASAP.
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« Reply #5 posted: 3 years ago »
I would only treat for one thing at a time,if they are eating then just continue with the treatment you are doing now.Once you have got the sh ok then go on and treat for worms(if they have them)
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« Reply #6 posted: 3 years ago »
I don't know if I'd treat for internal parasites yet. They're probably skinny because at that size they need to be feed at least 3 times a day, and do better with small feedings dispersed every couple hours. My assumption would be that their weight is due to underfeeding both in transportation and holding at the distributor. It might be worth deworming later just in case, but I don't think it's contributing to the other issues.

The Sri Lanka farm probably Aquamarine International, and they are actually pretty good for an overseas farm. Their seahorses are raised in artificial seawater and weened onto frozen food. Most problems from them either being too small, or from how they are handled at the distributor. Most don't know how to keep seahorses, and either feed incorrectly or not at all, and keep them both too warm and with other wild caught syngnathids.

I have a real pet peeve because I've seen the AI list, and they sell true captive bred seahorses from small to x large. While I think they should only sell seahorses at sexual maturity, part of the blame is on buyers who are only purchasing the smallest ones. I don't know if that's on the distributors or the fish stores, or a combination of both, but someone doesn't want to pay for the more expensive larger ones. And the really small ones can't handled the stress of shipping. So it's sort of a catch-22 - The small seahorses have a high mortality rate, so it's hard to get businesses interested in spending more when they assume that the more expensive, larger ones will have the same high mortality rate.

If I had had to guess, the reason your supplier wasn't helpful is because they probably tried getting a large number in, making the importation worth while, and weren't prepared for what they need to do to keep seahorses healthy. It's just a guess, but I've seen it happen many times over the years.
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« Reply #7 posted: 3 years ago »
Thanks for the info. All three are still eating and seem active. I did a 100% WC, cause the ammonia alert showed some ammonia in the QT. I fed gut loaded (with furan 2) brine twice again today which they ate and some brine gut loaded with astax and thawed PE Mysis. It's funny, I never notice seahorse poop in my main sh tank (probably because of the filtration and clean up crew), but, wow, you really see how messy they are when they are in a simple QT! I have fish in a QT next to them and they aren't half as messy poopers.

Not sure if I should start a new thread or not, but I am a little concerned about one of my other seahorses. Looking back at pictures I took when I first got them there was a little white spot by her eye. After a month or so I noticed it getting larger, so I dropped the temp in the tank to 68 degrees to slow any bacteria causing the issue. The temp has been this low for a little over two weeks now, but she's slowly getting more white patches on her. I have myself pretty convinced that it is some bacterial problem, but I wanted to know what you all thought. I started confusing myself when I was reading old threads and came to one talking about pinto marked seahorses. I would have thought some of them were sick!

So what do you think the issue is with my girl? She acts just like the rest and eats fine. Think I should just continue the cold temp or put her in a QT?

Notice there is a little cloudiness in this eye. Just a tiny spot in the middle. It has been like that for a while now and hasn't gotten worse or better.








The underside of her tail was all yellow when I first got her.


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« Reply #8 posted: 3 years ago »
Ugh, so sorry you're going through this! That would worry me too. My instinct is that it's a vibro infection but I can't swear by it. One other possible causative agent for this seahorse and the others is a ciliate that might be causing skin damage leading to a secondary infection. In these cases, it's hard to say.

It's tough to say how to treat. You said the big guys aren't eating brine shrimp, right? I can't recall. My first instinct is try to treat with a formalin dip and then beta glucan gutloaded in brine shrimp to help stimulated the immune system. It doesn't seem to be erroding yet, just discolored, which is why I wouldn't opt for a more aggressive treatment yet. But once ulceration starts, then its time to give her her own hospital tank and medicate.

And yes! Seahorses are messy, messy poopers. Even if seahorses could handle reef conditions, I'm always doubtful that a reef would be happy with a seahorses waste!
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« Reply #9 posted: 3 years ago »
(Sorry if I'm becoming redundant, but this is helping me keep track of how long I've been treating and what I've done each day.)

Day 4: Fed Furan 2 gut loaded brine twice and pe Mysis twice. Did a 100% WC and added new Furan 2, cause the ammonia alert showed ammonia.


Tami, you were right. My other seahorses were turning their noses up at live brine. I had given up on trying to feed it to them. But just yesterday my husband wanted to show a customer how fish love to eat live brine and he put some in with the seahorses. I told him and the customer they wouldn't eat it, just as one started chowing down on them! I swear my fish like to prove me wrong in from of customers! (Another time I swore these anthias wouldn't eat pellets, but I threw some in with them to feed a tang and the male anthias proceeded to eat every pellet I dropped in!) Anyhow, the female showing white patches wouldn't eat brine yesterday, but today actually ate a few! So I will try and get my hands on some beta glucan for her. Is that something that can be ordered for fish or should I just check my local health food store?
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« Reply #10 posted: 3 years ago »
Oh gosh, please post away. Updating is good, it helps others. Far more people lurk than ever post, so any info you share will be helpful to others.

For the beta glucan, you can get it at healthfood stores, that's what I do. Seahorse Source also has Dan's Feed +beta glucan available, which is a really good feed in general. I don't know that I've seen beta glucan available other than Seahorse Source.
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« Reply #11 posted: 3 years ago »
Oh yes, and they will always ALWAYS do the exact opposite of what you say when you're showing someone. I worked in a fish store a number of years back and I know exactly what you're talking about! It happened all. the. time! Always in front of a customer too.
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« Reply #12 posted: 3 years ago »
Day 5: Fed gut loaded brine twice and Mysis once. Did 100% WC. Noticed what may be internal air bubbles?! Their bellies look shiny, not like my other seahorses. :( I swear, what else are they going to get...

Bought some Beta-Glucan today. Unfortunately they only had it in tablet form. Anything wrong with using the tablet form other than it being hard to smash down into a powder? It's Source Naturals and the ingredients are Calcium 110mg, beta- 1,3/1,6 Glucan 250mg, dibasic calcium phosphate, stearic acid, silica, and modified cellulose gum. Says it's extracted from baker's yeast. Seem fine to use?
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« Reply #13 posted: 3 years ago »
Here's a good picture to compare how the white patch has gotten bigger. The first picture was before I lowered the temperature of the tank (did that on 4/25, set chiller to 64 degrees, but it seems to run 64-66 degrees). All of the seahorses got darker in color when I lowered the temp, but I figured was normal.



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« Reply #14 posted: 3 years ago »
If they were my sh I would keep the temp to 68,I think that maybe 64/66 may be a little to low,but maybe Tami may agree with you.

Hope that you are seeing some inprovement in the three of them,they look like they will turn out lovely when you get over this hurdle.
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