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Hi all.  It seems I must have stirred up some nasties in my seahorse tank while doing a deep clean of the sand bed because my male came down with 2 white spots on his body the next day.  One on his pouch and one on his tail.  He is also darker indicating some stress.  I immediately moved him to a 10 hospital tank with an open air line and have begun treating with Furan 2.  I also have bought live brine that I am gut loading with triple sulfa.  He did not eat his frozen mysis well but he is very interrested in hunting the gut loaded ghost shrimp I had on hand and seems to have a strong snick.  Is there anything else I should be doing other than keeping his hospital tank clean and following the directions for the antibiotic treatment?
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« Reply #1 posted: 2 years ago »
  :( sorry to hear that :( post a pic of spots so Tami and Dan can help you better.  I don't feel knowledgeable enough to give advice, except if you think external parasites you might consider freshwater dip, but you got a lot going on treatment wise and he is eating. So let the real experts give you advice. Hope he is ok sooner!
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  :( sorry to hear that :( post a pic of spots so Tami and Dan can help you better.  I don't feel knowledgeable enough to give advice, except if you think external parasites you might consider freshwater dip, but you got a lot going on treatment wise and he is eating. So let the real experts give you advice. Hope he is ok sooner!

I know, I was really distressed to see the spots.  I have tried to be very proactive by doing large water changes and staying on top of husbandry but I must have had a lapse somewhere.  My female still looks fine with good color and no spots anywhere.  I do feel encourage that the male is eating well.  He hunted down all the ghost shrimp and also ate gut loaded live brine.  Tomorrow morning I will try frozen mysis again.  I have lots of ghost shrimp and live brine if he wont eat the frozen.  I am seeing normal looking fecal pellets on the bare bottom hospital tank so that is good as well.
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« Reply #3 posted: 2 years ago »
Can you post a picture? I'd like to see the spots.

I've seen it a few times where they get spots that heal on their own, or with antibiotics fairly quickly if they're just surface and haven't actually started to erode the skin.

I've never heard of it happening from cleaning the sand bed. But I don't think a lot of people clean sandbeds. How did you do it, with a syphon? Did a lot of matter get into the water column when you did this? Were the water parameters disturbed or change in anyway? If there was a increase in organics, I could see there being a subsequent increase in bacteria to consume it; some good, some probably bad. Do you use Sanolife MIC-F or other probiotics?

I think you've mostly got it under control. The only additional step I can recommend is getting the temperature to 68F. If it's vibrio, that will slow down the action of the vibrio bacteria considerably. Most bacterial infections are going to be either vibrio or mycobacterium. Myco is usually chronic, but also doesn't move fast unless it's been there for a while or there is a major stress factor. Vibrio is also omnipresent, but seems to hit more randomly, and act more quickly when symptoms show.

Keep us posted, and let us know if he starts looking worse.
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Can you post a picture? I'd like to see the spots.

I've seen it a few times where they get spots that heal on their own, or with antibiotics fairly quickly if they're just surface and haven't actually started to erode the skin.

I've never heard of it happening from cleaning the sand bed. But I don't think a lot of people clean sandbeds. How did you do it, with a syphon? Did a lot of matter get into the water column when you did this? Were the water parameters disturbed or change in anyway? If there was a increase in organics, I could see there being a subsequent increase in bacteria to consume it; some good, some probably bad. Do you use Sanolife MIC-F or other probiotics?

I think you've mostly got it under control. The only additional step I can recommend is getting the temperature to 68F. If it's vibrio, that will slow down the action of the vibrio bacteria considerably. Most bacterial infections are going to be either vibrio or mycobacterium. Myco is usually chronic, but also doesn't move fast unless it's been there for a while or there is a major stress factor. Vibrio is also omnipresent, but seems to hit more randomly, and act more quickly when symptoms show.

Keep us posted, and let us know if he starts looking worse.

I was tied up all day today so did not get a pic yet but I will work on that tomorrow.  They(the white spots) don't seem any worse or any better. 

Yes when I cleaned the sand bed I moved live rock to get under it which released a lot of detritus in the water column, much more than I was expecting.  I should have used Sanolife mic-F but only used Seachem stability but did do a substantial water change.  I will try to get the temperature down to 68 using a fan but the hospital tank is not controlled with a chiller like the system tank.  It only has an open airline tube in it and no lights or pumps to warm it up and the house AC is set at 74.  He is still eating the gut loaded live brine well and hunted down every ghost shrimp in the tank.  He seems depressed to me but I think he misses his mate.  I think she misses him too.
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This is a pretty good pic of the worst spot.  Maybe its wishful thinking but I think the spots are both paler, not as white looking.  Adam is still eating live food well.  I do 50% water change followed by a 100% water change the next day and everyday I add new Furan 2.  I always have felt if a fish is eating there is hope.
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Wow that is scary, Adam is a handsome boy.  I am glad he is eating, wishing him a speedy recovery
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Wow that is scary, Adam is a handsome boy.  I am glad he is eating, wishing him a speedy recovery

Yes, it is scary and I was sick when I saw it and the other spot.  The other one is not as scary in that it doesn't have that dot in the center.  Adam is handsome but he is pretty strong and robust too so I am hoping that will help him recover.
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Can you post a picture? I'd like to see the spots.

I've seen it a few times where they get spots that heal on their own, or with antibiotics fairly quickly if they're just surface and haven't actually started to erode the skin.

I've never heard of it happening from cleaning the sand bed. But I don't think a lot of people clean sandbeds. How did you do it, with a syphon? Did a lot of matter get into the water column when you did this? Were the water parameters disturbed or change in anyway? If there was a increase in organics, I could see there being a subsequent increase in bacteria to consume it; some good, some probably bad. Do you use Sanolife MIC-F or other probiotics?

I think you've mostly got it under control. The only additional step I can recommend is getting the temperature to 68F. If it's vibrio, that will slow down the action of the vibrio bacteria considerably. Most bacterial infections are going to be either vibrio or mycobacterium. Myco is usually chronic, but also doesn't move fast unless it's been there for a while or there is a major stress factor. Vibrio is also omnipresent, but seems to hit more randomly, and act more quickly when symptoms show.

Keep us posted, and let us know if he starts looking worse.

This afternoon there is no doubt that Adam is responding to treatment.  It is not my imagination that the spots are getting paler and less prominent.  I will continue to stay the course until they are gone.
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Oh good news!!###! Are  you thinking bacterial?  I had my fire fish show up with theses lumps today, but already going away my theory is fireworm bite? Could yours be that? Just throwing out ideas....I'm

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Oh good news!!###! Are  you thinking bacterial?  I had my fire fish show up with theses lumps today, but already going away my theory is fireworm bite? Could yours be that? Just throwing out ideas....I'm

I wondered about an asterina starfish doing that to him because I saw one on his pouch earlier that day just about where the mark is?  My seahorse tank has very few asterinas in it but it does have a few.  Today the marks look about the same as in the beginning so am disappointed that there is not progress.  I do not see any skin erosion though.   He stills seems strong.  I am not sure if I should continue with the same treatment or try something new?  Any ideas???
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Yes star fish can do saw articles here at fused jaw!!!
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How is Adam doing today?
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How is Adam doing today?
Thanks for asking.  His spots looked improved but he seemed depressed and was less interested in eating.  He stopped eating the enriched live brine altogether and only half heartedly ate the ghost shrimp.  I hope I wasn't premature, but I moved him yesterday back into the display with Eve, his mate.  He nearly jumped for joy he was so happy.  As of last night he was looking pretty good still and the spots are only very faint.  This morning I hope that is still the case and I hope to see him eat his frozen mysis with his usual voracious appetite.  I will keep you posted.
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« Reply #14 posted: 2 years ago »
Ok I want to read that he is eating today!! They are such a pretty pair.  Did you find the article about the starfish causing mysterious spots yet? See if the picture matches your guy..
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