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« posted: 1 year ago »
Hi all! My female H. erectus is showing the beginning signs of bacterial infection :( She had a small cut on her tail and despite my best efforts it looks like it got infected.

I want to start treating her as soon as possible, but unfortunately the only treatments I have on hand right now are erythromycin, maracyn plus, and melafix. My LFS was out of both tetracycline and Furan 2  >:(  I would like to avoid the melafix as I know it can be a pretty harsh treatment for seahorses. Would the erythromycin be a safe, ok treatment until I can get tetracycline or Furan 2??
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« Reply #1 posted: 1 year ago »
Hi Sami,
Can you post a picture of wound? 
I am not familiar with erythromycin treatment, sorry I can't help.  What caused the cut do you know?
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« Reply #2 posted: 1 year ago »
I can try to get a picture later today to post....it looks so much worse than it did on Friday (which is why I'm pretty certain its infected  :( ).

I'm not sure if he was the culprit but I had a long clawed hermit crab in there that I would occasionally see nibbling at her tail. She would normally be unbothered by it and just swim away or hitch higher up if he bothered her at all. My guess would be that he got her a little too hard one day. He has since been removed to a different tank. I'm surprised he was able to because he was so small (Maybe 3/4in if that?) but I don't know what else it could have been.

I'm going to continue to treat her wound and start the erythromycin as I read that while its not ideal, it will work. Fingers Crossed!!
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« Reply #3 posted: 1 year ago »
 Am sorry to hear, is she in a hospital tank? Do you have other seahorses? Are they ok?  Can you post all your tank parameters, that helps everyone help you.  Do a big water change on your display tank as well.  Do you keep your pipe fish with your seahorse?  Many have claimed this can lead to diseases in your seahorses, tho many have had no problems.  There have been big discussions on this in the past.  Never hurts to recheck your tank for sharp objects.  You have been keeping seahorses for two years right?  Time to spoil her with some live mysis and enrichment.  I had a rescue I bought with snout rot, that I was able to cure by water changes and an addition of UV sterilizer, and live food, no medicine.  She is now my biggest and never had trouble again.  But I also have a rescue that is chronically troublesome, different tank.  We all learn from eachother.  So keep posting and updating us.

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« Reply #4 posted: 1 year ago »
She has been moved to a 10 gallon hospital tank. She is still eating wonderfully (part of the reason I wasn't concerned about a preventative antibiotic when I first saw the tail injury). She lives with one other male seahorse who has been swimming around kinda sadly looking for his friend poor guy :-[

Tank parameters have been pretty good since I returned from Christmas vacation (i'd had a nitrate spike then). Ammonia is 0 nitrite 0 nitrate around 10. My pH has always been a little low - 7.8 but has never been an issue for any of my fish.

I used to keep my pipefish and seahorses together but around may I started losing the pipefish so I separated them to a different tank and they have been doing well since.

I'm worried about how quickly her tail went from just a little red and frayed to white and sore looking. Hopefully the antibacterial works. I also had an aquarist friend suggest swabbing the tail with iodine so I've been doing that as well
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« Reply #5 posted: 1 year ago »
Unfortunately, the tank parameters you are testing for, are NOT going to tell you if the water quality is deteriorating to the point of causing situations like bacterial infections or GBD. There ARE no test kits available to to hobbyists to advise you of this.
Instead we need to be proactive by using an extreme husbandry protocol, and if we experience these problems it's usually a sign that our protocols are insufficient.
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« Reply #6 posted: 1 year ago »
I typically do 25% water changes every week and a 50% water change with thorough gravel vacuuming. Should I be doing more? I currently have a skimmer on the system and it seems to be doing a pretty good job usually I have to empty it once a week but its never overflowing. The water is kept around 68-70 degrees occasionally it will get to 72 but no higher than that
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« Reply #7 posted: 1 year ago »
Your protocol sounds good.  But pH is worrisome, can you add bubbler, make sure you have good flow.  I add a buffer to my new water when i make it up.  Also nitrate or nitrite? If you can add a uv sterilizer, that can help.  I have heard of betadine too, hopefully helps.  It sounds like the wound led to infection, but I would do some extra  cleaning and water changes, and look for any dead critteres... Can you post pic?   Glad she is eating!!!  This is stressful, but I think you can get her last it! Any luck finding meds??
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« Reply #8 posted: 1 year ago »
If your husbandry was sufficient you wouldn't have the problem therefore you need to do more IMO.
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« Reply #9 posted: 1 year ago »
If your husbandry was sufficient you wouldn't have the problem therefore you need to do more IMO.

my male and pipefish (who are in a different tank but under the same schedule) are both fine which makes me think it was the injury that allowed her to get an infection. But even still, what else would you recommend? Bi-weekly water changes seem to be the only place left to go and I'd prefer to avoid that...
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« Reply #10 posted: 1 year ago »
Still no luck on medication....store says they probably wont have any for a week or two >:( I wish I had another store but they're the only one for over an hour.

She has been hiding her tail quite a bit so its been difficult to get a good picture but I'll try when I treat her tail today. She's still eating really well but her tail just seems to keep getting worse  :-[
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« Reply #11 posted: 1 year ago »
I am with you the wound led to problem, hate to hear tail is worse.. 
On water changes I do 50% weekly, or 50% every other week, I try to do weekly but sometimes I am sick (myasthenia gravis).  It is good your temperature is low in tanks.  I wish Tami or Dan from seahorse source would weigh in.  Did you contact Dan at his store? He might have meds he could ship, and he and his wife are very helpful with good advice.
Rayjay, offer what r would change instead if keep telling her she is not doing it right. 😉
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« Reply #12 posted: 1 year ago »
I finally got a few pictures while doing a water change and treating her tail. 2 days ago it was just a little ragged at the end from where she was nibbled. Now its like this. She also didn't want to eat when I fed her her second meal. She chased the mysis around but didn't eat any :'(


just a closeup of her tail


hard to see her but you can see where its starting to swell (just saw it as I was taking pictures/treating)

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« Reply #13 posted: 1 year ago »
I never saw any mention of "nibbling" until your last post. There aren't many seahorse tanks with something in them that are going to nibble a seahorse.
Unfortunately, I can't tell any one what to do because all systems can be so different.
For my own tanks I had to learn by experience and the experience being that If I had problems like GBD, internal organ failure/problems, or with bacterial infections, then I knew I wasn't doing enough.
As this type of water quality cannot be measured with any of our test kits available to us, it is a case of preventive maintenance, IMO. Some think I go to extremes, but if you happen to have individuals more receptive to problems then IMO the extremes are worth it to save losses.
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« Reply #14 posted: 1 year ago »
I had a few long clawed hermit crabs in there and one would always nibble on the seahorses tails, but they were never bothered by it. The only thing I can think of that would cause her to have gotten hurt is the hermit crab decided to pinch a little too hard. When I first noticed something wrong, her tail looked similar to when we skin a knee. Just kinda sore and ragged (not like you would see with tail rot)
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