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Need help to ID my Seahorse

« posted: 2 years ago »
My wife and I bought a seahorse when we were on vacation in Ohio and brought her back to Florida. The guy at the aquarium shop in Ohio said she was a Kuda, but we just tried to buy another seahorse to go with her from Seahorse source Dan looked and some picture of her and said he did not think she was a Kuda. Can anyone help ID her? I can load more photos if needed.
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« Reply #1 posted: 2 years ago »
I might guess a very pretty tiger tail seahorses.  They have little whit lines around their eyes, and I think it looks like yours does.  Also they tend to be more slender and a little smaller. How long have you had her?  She is very pretty, but maybe a tad thin, but only a tad.  I haven't seen a spotted H. Comes, oops take that back mine had sports for a week when she was young. I put my money on her being a tiger tail, but Tami should weigh in she is expert!

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« Reply #2 posted: 2 years ago »
She is a very pretty little girl.  I am not up on the differences between species so I won't even hazard a guess.  Hopefully when Tami sees this post she can tell you what your little girl is.
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« Reply #3 posted: 2 years ago »
Hi Seahorse1941! Welcome to Fusedjaw.com! She is a lovely girl, whatever the species.

My money is on H. kuda, or H. taeniopterus. They look very similar and science is waiting to decided if they are two different species or not, with researchers in two different camps on whether or not they are in fact different. I'm surprised Dan didn't think so. But that is the joy of species ID, they really can be tricky to differentiate. For me, it is the backswept coronet - most seahorses (but not all) have a coronet that sweeps backwards as opposed to being 90 degrees from the head. Take a look at the H. taeniopterus on this page: http://fusedjaw.com/aquariumcare/overview-of-common-seahorse-species/

Right now, ORA has been selling H. "kuda" which is probably H. taeniopterus, which means it's going to be one of the species available at local fish stores. Can you find out from the store where you purchased her where she came from? If ORA, it's almost certain to be the case.

Good luck! Whatever species, she is beautiful!
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« Reply #4 posted: 2 years ago »
Thanks everyone. She is a little cutie. She is our first seahorse and I was scared to death traveling so far with her. We have had her home for about 2 weeks now. We are feeding her PE Mysis & Hikari Mysis 2 x a day and she is eating really well. I have seen that some people feed only 6 days and fast on the 7th is that how you guy feed? We want to get her a friend, what other seahorse can we put with her?
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« Reply #5 posted: 2 years ago »
There are great articles on feeding and nutrition here you can read, be thinking about enrichment.  If she is young and growing you can feed three times a day if you are home. I have trained my horses to eat out of a glass bowl and feed as much as they will eat then remove excess after about 20 minutes.  I feed adults twice a day and younger ones more often.  If everyone is looking fat and sassy I will feed only once one day a week,  only occasionally do I fast them for a day.  That is me anyway :) , have had seahorses for three years, all healthy.   Congratulations on your pretty girl!!!!! She is a tricky one for sure.  I would love to see a close up if her head, how many inches is she? www.arkive.org hippocampus comes has pic looks like yours😃 but I always trust Tami experience and Dan!

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« Reply #6 posted: 2 years ago »
I want to get Dan's feed for her as far as enrichment.  Everyone that I have talked to so far I think we are split with her either being a Kuda or Kelloggi.I really want to get her a friend and I was told you cannot mix species. If you need any more photos that might help id her please let me know.

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« Reply #7 posted: 2 years ago »
 Beautiful mystery! 😃 I think if you include a straight on head shot, the experts can count eye spines, and a tail shot to count rings might help clear it up.... ????  And fin rays. I have read those are some ways to tell...?????? Seahorses org has some written descriptions that might help.  I downloaded a pdf seahorse identification will read up, don't know how to share. It was under project seahorse traffic_species_fish29. How long is she? The guide mentioned cornet size is larger in juvenile seahorses. I do want you to be able to get her a friend!  If no one else has ideas to help positively identify her, then I would go with kudu.  But remember you got her at lfs, and you don't know what she was exposed to there or in holding, the bigger risk might be to the new seahorse you introduce her to.  I hope she is eating well for you and settling in well.   Good luck!

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« Reply #8 posted: 2 years ago »
Ps my new guess is h. Ingens!! Just to confuse you 😉 but she does have the long rounded cheek spine high coronet with plate in front of crown.  Lol I hope someone does I'd her!!!!!
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« Reply #9 posted: 2 years ago »
Ps my new guess is h. Ingens!! Just to confuse you 😉 but she does have the long rounded cheek spine high coronet with plate in front of crown.  Lol I hope someone does I'd her!!!!!

After doing some research I have to agree with Laurasea that it is H. ingens (probably a young specimen). The primary thing that sticks out is that kuda has a swept back or flat coronet/crown and your horse has a upright one that looks like ingens. If you could count the tail rings and come up with 39 or more that would solidify the ID as ingens.

H. ingens can reach over a foot in length where kuda grows to less than 7 inches. The trunk ring count for both species is 11. Also ingens and readi are in the so called kuda complex so they are closely related.

One final note is that 10 -12 years ago you would never buy a seahorse without asking for its ID and where it came from. Of course most seahorses back then were taken from the wild so you needed to know where they got it from to prove that you were getting a captive bred seahorse. We are lucky now to have well cared for CB horses available from several sources.

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« Reply #10 posted: 2 years ago »
I would rule out kelloggi, they have a very tiny coronet.


And their eyes look "gormy", for lack of a better word. Most H. kelloggi sold in the US in the past 10 years were probably some other species, most likely H. kuda or H. taeniopterus. And sometimes H. comes. (and once H. trimaculatus, and another time H. spinosissimus. :P)

Ingens is an interesting thought. But they are really rare here, and there are only two places breeding them right now, both in Mexico. The only place I've seen them recently in the US is Live Aquaria and Ocean Rider. Live Aquaria gets them from one of the MX breeders. OR claims to breed their own, but as I know they've purchased them from one of the breeders in the past, my suspicion is that they still do. I don't believe there have been any in the US for about a year? Maybe a little longer?

I have a sneaking suspicion that part of the confusion is size. It's just tough as juveniles. I've become better at ID'ing small species that I've seen grow up, but it's still a struggle.

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« Reply #11 posted: 2 years ago »
Seahorse1941, were you able to find out where the store sourced them? That can help narrow down the species as there are some species carried by certain sources, etc...!
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« Reply #12 posted: 2 years ago »
We got her from Blue Fish Aquariums in Lyndhurst, OH. I have not been able to catch up with the owner yet, who seems to be the only one who knows anything about her. He was the one that told me she was a Kuda. One of the workers at Blue Fish said he thought she came from ORA. I spoke to Jordan at ORA and he was going to check and see if they sold any of their horses to Blue Fish, Jordan was on vacation last week, so I'm hoping to hear back sometime this week. I'm also going to keep trying to get a hold of the owner at Blue Fish.

My biggest concern right now is what types of Seahorse can I safely put with the one I have.
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« Reply #13 posted: 2 years ago »
You are the only one that can follow the identification guide and do the painstaking counting of rings and such.  There is no rush for a friend, she is still settling in.  Since h.ingens is a strong contender you do want to be careful.   It would be extremely cool I think to have a Pacific seahorse!! But they are from a separate ocean and can succumb to pathogens from other seahorses or spread pathogens as well.   It may just take time for her to mature and make identification easier, as she will get very large if she is an h.ingens.   Hopefully the owner and seller will be able to help id her 😃  you have a group of experts here and we are confounded!!!  You can always plunge ahead and just pick a seahorse as a friend, but please read up on the topic of mixing seahorses and the risks.  I know this forum has a whole topic about mixing seahorses and different results.  Looked at OR seahorses and their pictured kuda does have large cheek spine, and your girl doesn't have a nose spine which does go along with kuda.  But her cornet does look larger than typical kuda.  You have a healthy beautiful seahorse.   Please keep us updated!!!!

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« Reply #14 posted: 2 years ago »
Here is the reply I finally received from the aquarium shop.

This seahorse was sold to us as a Kuda, but after looking at it more, it sure looks like an Erectus. There is no way for us to know 100%, since we get so many animals in each shipment and there are multiple employees who bag them up at the company for us. As far as not being able to mix different seahorses, this is completely untrue. You just have to make sure that whichever horses you put together can handle the same water parameters. We have different species together all the time. Just an example of the well-known species that can be in the same water parameters…
Reidi
Kuda
Erectus
Comes
Ingens
Barbouri

There are many other species, but these are the ones that are available typically in the hobby. Let me know if you have any other questions! Again, sorry about the confusion on the species you got